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Post by arover on Oct 24, 2007 12:40:48 GMT
Are you anywhere near the fighting arover? Nowhere near it, it's in the far east of the country. If I was I'd hide behind the kittens!
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Post by Bismarck on Oct 24, 2007 13:27:26 GMT
I wouldn't let you get hurt Mr Arover sir....!
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Post by hallmackem on Dec 5, 2007 11:55:36 GMT
Don't worry you have't offended me. Your last sentence is the difference between religious people and non-religious people. I have no problem in believing something which has no proof, in fact it doesn't matter to me whether it's real or not. For me, it's all about the concept, the idea, being comforting and inspirational. The existence is irrelevant, and the idea of heaven, i believe is a state of mind, so if you help others and use God's word, it helps you to this sate of mind. It's almost like enlightenment for Buddhists, i guess, in essence, all religions are the same, so there shouldn't be War. Of course i don't agree with the Warmongering but that is the minority causing it not the majority, i assure you. But then there is nothing i can totally agree with, everything has its flaws. Of course, some will become disillusioned but that happens with everything, so it doesn't worry me. Everyone is entitled to believe or not believe whatever they want. Catholicism and religion may have been used for control but it is no longer, it has learned from its mistakes and moved on. We can't change the past after all and i believe this element has gone. Here is another facett of this debate. You may find God's existence irrelavant to the comfort you can draw from having faith but there are many who staunchly believe he does exist and could not be swayed no matter what the evidence.
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Post by Bismarck on Dec 5, 2007 13:00:12 GMT
I have questioned His existence in times of tragedy,yet I cannot accept the concept that this Universe came from "nothing"...
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Post by SaintTim on Dec 5, 2007 13:01:22 GMT
I wouldn't let you get hurt Mr Arover sir....! That put a smile on my face
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Post by Bismarck on Dec 5, 2007 13:02:59 GMT
I love that f**king cat....I want it for Crimbo...
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Post by hallmackem on Dec 5, 2007 16:56:52 GMT
Ahhhh! That again, well i've been making progress with this Otto.
The theory i like at the minute is that we as a universe (that is space, time and the laws that govern them both) are part of a 'multiverse (many universes) And that matter that enters a black hole emerges to form a new ball of matter that could expand. There are of course two problems with this. One, it's a completely untestable theory. Two, where do the other universes come from?
Wel the answer to where matter comes from has been partially answered by machines called particle colliders. Basically in the last possible instance before expansion there was NO matter. Merely a particle soup comprising protons, neutrons, electrons and energy in the form of photons. These particles collided and formed a molten plasma of particles that began to expand, eventually these formed into elements by ways unknown to my unlearned mind.
I don't know enough yet to know where these particles came from but i'm assuming that they have just always been here.
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Post by Bismarck on Dec 5, 2007 17:05:56 GMT
You are missing your vocation in life mate....but as you say....to assume that the particles have always been there is not logical....but....when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?
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Post by hallmackem on Dec 5, 2007 17:14:30 GMT
Yes but like i say, thats just an assumption. I'm a 16 year old who's only just started AS levels, not a professor of Quantum Physics. I'm sure that somewhere in the article i read there was an explanation but i didn't pick it out or understand.
Anyway, back on religion. I was surprised recently when i found out just how integral Jesus is to Islam.
They belive that before judgement day ad-Dajjal (Arabic for 'the deciever, basically the Islamic antchrist) will appear somewhere between Syria and Iraq with an army of all those he has decieved (sinners). Whereupon Jesus will return from paradise with an army of the righteous to defeat him in Palestine.
Makes you wonder why Christians and Muslims don't get on. The only bit about Jesus (who is essentially the embodiement of Christianity) that they don't agree on is that he is the son of God and that he was crucified (they believe he just ascended to Heaven one day)
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Post by Bismarck on Dec 5, 2007 18:17:16 GMT
Facinating.....Muslims are a peaceful loving people...but as with any religion you get those who exploit it for their own ends....
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Post by thefullback on Dec 6, 2007 7:28:12 GMT
I love that f**king cat....I want it for Crimbo... Roasted maybe ?
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Dec 6, 2007 19:47:21 GMT
Don't worry you have't offended me. Your last sentence is the difference between religious people and non-religious people. I have no problem in believing something which has no proof, in fact it doesn't matter to me whether it's real or not. For me, it's all about the concept, the idea, being comforting and inspirational. The existence is irrelevant, and the idea of heaven, i believe is a state of mind, so if you help others and use God's word, it helps you to this sate of mind. It's almost like enlightenment for Buddhists, i guess, in essence, all religions are the same, so there shouldn't be War. Of course i don't agree with the Warmongering but that is the minority causing it not the majority, i assure you. But then there is nothing i can totally agree with, everything has its flaws. Of course, some will become disillusioned but that happens with everything, so it doesn't worry me. Everyone is entitled to believe or not believe whatever they want. Catholicism and religion may have been used for control but it is no longer, it has learned from its mistakes and moved on. We can't change the past after all and i believe this element has gone. Here is another facett of this debate. You may find God's existence irrelavant to the comfort you can draw from having faith but there are many who staunchly believe he does exist and could not be swayed no matter what the evidence. I believe that God exists but unlike the others you have mentioned, it is not crucially important to me that he does exist. I find the faith that these people have in the existance of God, admirable. The fact that their faith is that strong is something we can all strive for.
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Post by JoeLatics on Dec 7, 2007 18:14:32 GMT
Ahhhh! That again, well i've been making progress with this Otto. The theory i like at the minute is that we as a universe (that is space, time and the laws that govern them both) are part of a 'multiverse (many universes) And that matter that enters a black hole emerges to form a new ball of matter that could expand. There are of course two problems with this. One, it's a completely untestable theory. Two, where do the other universes come from? Wel the answer to where matter comes from has been partially answered by machines called particle colliders. Basically in the last possible instance before expansion there was NO matter. Merely a particle soup comprising protons, neutrons, electrons and energy in the form of photons. These particles collided and formed a molten plasma of particles that began to expand, eventually these formed into elements by ways unknown to my unlearned mind. I don't know enough yet to know where these particles came from but i'm assuming that they have just always been here. Cwl theory Mabey when u go through a black hole, u get to another universe?
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Post by hallmackem on Dec 7, 2007 18:48:19 GMT
That's the idea yes, could never be proven though...
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Post by Bismarck on Dec 8, 2007 0:03:48 GMT
Can you prove religion........? A Black Hole is just a credible....
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Post by hallmackem on Dec 8, 2007 9:51:30 GMT
Religion is just as proveable as matter coming out of a black hole and coming out to form a new universe. I mean we 'Know' that not even light can escape a black hole... so how can matter? Something that actually has mass to be attracted.
From that perspective it seems more likely that God does exist.
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Post by arover on Dec 8, 2007 10:47:59 GMT
Yes but like i say, thats just an assumption. I'm a 16 year old who's only just started AS levels, not a professor of Quantum Physics. I'm sure that somewhere in the article i read there was an explanation but i didn't pick it out or understand. Anyway, back on religion. I was surprised recently when i found out just how integral Jesus is to Islam. They belive that before judgement day ad-Dajjal (Arabic for 'the deciever, basically the Islamic antchrist) will appear somewhere between Syria and Iraq with an army of all those he has decieved (sinners). Whereupon Jesus will return from paradise with an army of the righteous to defeat him in Palestine. Makes you wonder why Christians and Muslims don't get on. The only bit about Jesus (who is essentially the embodiement of Christianity) that they don't agree on is that he is the son of God and that he was crucified (they believe he just ascended to Heaven one day) Often those with similar beliefs fight the most, look at all the infighting that has taken place between left wing factions throughout history. Far more vitriol has been used against opponents with similar beliefs than against those who hold more right wing ideas.
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Post by Bismarck on Dec 8, 2007 11:45:24 GMT
There you go Ben.... This Hubble Space Telescope image contains three main features. The outer white area is the core or centre of the galaxy NGC4261. Inside the core there is a brown spiral-shaped disk. It weighs on hundred thousand times as much as our sun. Because it is rotating we can measure the radii and speed of its constituents, and hence weigh the object at its centre. This object is about as large as our solar system, but weighs 1,200,000,000 times as much as our sun. This means that gravity is about one million times as strong as on the sun. Almost certainly this object is a black hole.
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Post by hallmackem on Dec 8, 2007 15:27:48 GMT
Black holes are usually invisible, you can only tell where one is becaus of light and dust spiralling toward it's centre.
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Post by Bismarck on Dec 8, 2007 15:31:06 GMT
Those figures are staggering though Ben?
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Post by hallmackem on Dec 8, 2007 15:36:58 GMT
Oh of course, but not surprising when you consider what a black hole is.
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Post by hallmackem on Jan 4, 2008 20:45:17 GMT
Apparently matter came from the primordial formation of sub-atomic particles from pure energy.
Also i completely forgot this from GCSE Physics "Matter cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred."
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Post by Bismarck on Jan 4, 2008 21:05:19 GMT
So where is life taking you at the moment....Scientist or Lawyer?
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Post by hallmackem on Jan 4, 2008 21:18:31 GMT
Probably Science, the law thing left a while ago.
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Post by Bismarck on Jan 4, 2008 22:06:03 GMT
Good luck to you mate......what about the Clergy?
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Jan 4, 2008 22:16:36 GMT
Hahahahhaha nice one Bissy, yeah come on Ben the Catholic faith needs you.
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Post by Bismarck on Jan 4, 2008 22:25:17 GMT
Now then......I see a new TV series.....Father Ben.....lol
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Post by hallmackem on Jan 4, 2008 23:26:25 GMT
Me? A Catholic? Hehe.
Anyway, does anyone here know of the 'Flying Spaghetti Monster'?
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Post by Bismarck on Jan 4, 2008 23:34:26 GMT
No....are you going to tell us?
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Post by hallmackem on Jan 5, 2008 1:06:04 GMT
Only if you are ready for the truth, are you?
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