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Post by likeasharkinafunnyhat on Feb 20, 2008 21:05:38 GMT
This is doing my head in! I'll think of an answer worthy of the thread tomorrow, when I'm not so tired.
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Post by hallmackem on Feb 21, 2008 9:04:41 GMT
Just had a eureka moment... whilst having a slash this morning. These things happen at the strangest of times don't they?
It relates to question 9. Luke and Bissy are absolutely right. How do we know if what we've percieved is reality? In short we don't... don't we? I've came to the conclusion that since this percieved reality is the only reality that we as human beings have, it ceases to become a percieved reality but an actual reality. For me there is, and never can be, anything else. It is futile speculating about other possibilties since we will never know them unless out brain suddenly changes the way it processes things. Over and out, i'm off for a game of squash.
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Post by likeasharkinafunnyhat on Feb 21, 2008 10:33:08 GMT
unless out brain suddenly changes the way it processes things. Over and out, i'm off for a game of squash. Which has to be a possibility, considering the way it has evolved already. Surely? So there isn't anything else now, thats not to say that there can not be.
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Post by hallmackem on Feb 21, 2008 11:05:53 GMT
unless out brain suddenly changes the way it processes things. Over and out, i'm off for a game of squash. Which has to be a possibility, considering the way it has evolved already. Surely? So there isn't anything else now, thats not to say that there can not be. The way our brain processes things hasn't changed. Our reasoning skills and brain capacity have increased but the basic function hasn't. The brains of all living organisms work the same way, just some have more capacity than others.
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Post by Bismarck on Feb 21, 2008 11:47:45 GMT
And....you have realised that Luke and I were not taking the wee when you were having a wee.......facinating..... Man has always had the best ideas with his cock in his hands......
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Post by hallmackem on Feb 21, 2008 11:57:42 GMT
And....you have realised that Luke and I were not taking the wee when you were having a wee.......facinating..... Man has always had the best ideas with his cock in his hands...... Never thought you were taing the wee.
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Post by Bismarck on Feb 21, 2008 12:05:18 GMT
I only used the line to construct the joke matey.......thought you would get it?
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Post by hallmackem on Feb 21, 2008 12:21:01 GMT
Oh sorry, didn't read the second part of the sentence.
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Post by Bismarck on Feb 21, 2008 13:39:06 GMT
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Feb 21, 2008 14:45:37 GMT
Our perceived reality becomes our actual reality, as it is the only reality we know right? But surely then every human being's perceived reality/actual reality is different (if indeed you do all exist and aren't a subconscious creation of mine) although of course we can never be sure.
If every human reality is different then what is the actual reality? Or is there no actual reality, only our perceived reality, which sort of leads us back to where we started. Yes, i know i'm trying to be difficult but perhaps there is only a minor correlation between each human's reality - meaning there is no true actual reality and we are located within our perceptions.
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Post by hallmackem on Feb 21, 2008 15:10:37 GMT
Our perceived reality becomes our actual reality, as it is the only reality we know right? But surely then every human being's perceived reality/actual reality is different (if indeed you do all exist and aren't a subconscious creation of mine) although of course we can never be sure. If every human reality is different then what is the actual reality? Or is there no actual reality, only our perceived reality, which sort of leads us back to where we started. Yes, i know i'm trying to be difficult but perhaps there is only a minor correlation between each human's reality - meaning there is no true actual reality and we are located within our perceptions. Humans all percieve the physicality of the world in the same way don't they? I mean, i don't think the world is square and you don't think we orbit round a giant fridge do you? How we percieve society, morality etc' is always going to be different but that wasn't the question.
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Feb 21, 2008 15:35:14 GMT
Their must be some discrepancies though - whether we notice them or not. As you said we only know our own reality, not others. Maybe in our reality we change other people's views to suit ours during interpretation. Or perhaps we are located on a world but we all just see the world differently, so we don't know the true reality.
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Post by hallmackem on Feb 21, 2008 15:49:58 GMT
What so if you tell me the world orbits around a fridge my mindalters it so i think you are saying it revolves around the sun? If that's the case it leads back to the point i made... our percieved reality is the only possible reality so it becomes real.
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Post by Bismarck on Feb 21, 2008 15:52:37 GMT
Our perceived reality becomes our actual reality, as it is the only reality we know right? But surely then every human being's perceived reality/actual reality is different (if indeed you do all exist and aren't a subconscious creation of mine) although of course we can never be sure. If every human reality is different then what is the actual reality? Or is there no actual reality, only our perceived reality, which sort of leads us back to where we started. Yes, i know i'm trying to be difficult but perhaps there is only a minor correlation between each human's reality - meaning there is no true actual reality and we are located within our perceptions. Humans all percieve the physicality of the world in the same way don't they? I mean, i don't think the world is square and you don't think we orbit round a giant fridge do you? How we percieve society, morality etc' is always going to be different but that wasn't the question. BUT....not too long ago the Egyptians thought the creator of all things was either Re, Amun, Ptah, Khnum or Aten, depending on which version of the myth was currently in use. The heavens were represented by Hathor, Bat, and Horus. Osiris was an earth god as was Ptah. The annual flooding of the Nile was Hapi. Storms, evil and confusion were Seth. His counterpart was Ma'at, who represented balance, justice and truth. The moon was Thoth and Khonsu. Re, the sun god, took on many forms, and transcended most of the borders that contained the other gods. The actual shape of the sun, the disk (or, aten), was deified into another god, Aten......forgive me for using that one....been reading about it.... Ben....perception is a strange thing.....it was not too long ago the we all believed the world was flat and you could fall off....
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Feb 21, 2008 16:02:31 GMT
What so if you tell me the world orbits around a fridge my mindalters it so i think you are saying it revolves around the sun? If that's the case it leads back to the point i made... our percieved reality is the only possible reality so it becomes real. I'm not denying it becomes real, far from it but surely everyone's reality is at least a little different - meaning there is no way to tell which (if any) is the actual true reality of where we are.
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Feb 21, 2008 16:03:28 GMT
Bissy what happened to your questions for all the regs - it stopped at Ben?
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Post by Bismarck on Feb 21, 2008 16:14:17 GMT
Just giving it time Luke......
He is yours.....As a Christian.......
Do good people always do right acts? What is the relationship, if any, between good people and right acts? What is a good person? What is a right act?
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Post by hallmackem on Feb 21, 2008 16:19:07 GMT
Humans all percieve the physicality of the world in the same way don't they? I mean, i don't think the world is square and you don't think we orbit round a giant fridge do you? How we percieve society, morality etc' is always going to be different but that wasn't the question. BUT....not too long ago the Egyptians thought the creator of all things was either Re, Amun, Ptah, Khnum or Aten, depending on which version of the myth was currently in use. The heavens were represented by Hathor, Bat, and Horus. Osiris was an earth god as was Ptah. The annual flooding of the Nile was Hapi. Storms, evil and confusion were Seth. His counterpart was Ma'at, who represented balance, justice and truth. The moon was Thoth and Khonsu. Re, the sun god, took on many forms, and transcended most of the borders that contained the other gods. The actual shape of the sun, the disk (or, aten), was deified into another god, Aten......forgive me for using that one....been reading about it.... Ben....perception is a strange thing.....it was not too long ago the we all believed the world was flat and you could fall off.... I know that but that was then and that was what was accepted by human beings then, human beings accepted that the earth was flat, we used to believe that the sun revolves around the world. Now science tells us that is completely preposterous and as a society we tend to accept that. There are of course others who believe different but if they had seen the evidece the scientists have found they would surely think differently, as opposed to getting their logic from books written by bronze age livestock herders. We know the earth is round becase we can see satellite photos of it, we know what causes eclipses etc rather than attributing them to an act of God as we did in the past. All humans will percieve this, the majority do and the ones that don't are clinging to an obsolete belief system.
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Post by hallmackem on Feb 21, 2008 16:20:23 GMT
Think i'll throw another one in the ring.
If nobody has a house, are we all homeless?
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Feb 21, 2008 16:20:43 GMT
Just giving it time Luke...... He is yours.....As a Christian....... Do good people always do right acts? What is the relationship, if any, between good people and right acts? What is a good person? What is a right act? That'll require some thought - give me a minute.
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Post by arover on Feb 21, 2008 16:25:52 GMT
Think i'll throw another one in the ring. If nobody has a house, are we all homeless? All except the ones who live in flats, maisonettes, bungalows, villas, tents and groovy crash pads.
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Post by hallmackem on Feb 21, 2008 16:27:37 GMT
Very good rover, i'll change the wording. If nobody had dwellings, would we all be homeless?
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Feb 21, 2008 16:34:01 GMT
Is suppose this is similar to the 'if a tree falls' and 'is a key still akey if there's nowt to unlock'.
If dwellings had ever existed then yes, we would be dwelling-less for want of a better word. If the idea of a home had every been made reality then nobody would have one so would be homeless.
If homes had never existed, then no - they are not homeless because homes never existed. That's the simple answer now i demand you figments to pick holes in it!!
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Post by hallmackem on Feb 21, 2008 16:35:30 GMT
My figments answer to nobody elses percpetion but mine, which is THE reality.
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Post by hallmackem on Feb 21, 2008 16:43:21 GMT
Knew this was around here somewhere. It's for the perceptionquestion.
"All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. We are all one conciousness experiencing it self subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves."
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Feb 21, 2008 16:44:33 GMT
Just giving it time Luke...... He is yours.....As a Christian....... Do good people always do right acts? What is the relationship, if any, between good people and right acts? What is a good person? What is a right act? No good people do not always do right acts because the definitions of a good person is so diverse. A right act would be an act made with the correct intentions that end with the right consequences. A good person is indefinable. It is completely down to personal interpretation - for me a good person is someone who always acts with the best intentions and tries to be the best person they can. For you it could be something entirely different. The relationship btween the two? Perhaps that good people always try to do right acts - this one is purely personal interpretation for me.
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Post by hallmackem on Feb 21, 2008 16:45:09 GMT
Is suppose this is similar to the 'if a tree falls' and 'is a key still akey if there's nowt to unlock'. If dwellings had ever existed then yes, we would be dwelling-less for want of a better word. If the idea of a home had every been made reality then nobody would have one so would be homeless. If homes had never existed, then no - they are not homeless because homes never existed. That's the simple answer now i demand you figments to pick holes in it!! But surely if the home had never existed, we couldn't have a home. We would be without a home, conceptual, spiritual, physical or whatever. We would be homeless without knowing.
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Feb 21, 2008 16:46:01 GMT
Knew this was around here somewhere. It's for the perceptionquestion. "All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. We are all one conciousness experiencing it self subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves." Absolutely brilliant, gotta say, i totally agree with that.
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Feb 21, 2008 16:49:01 GMT
Is suppose this is similar to the 'if a tree falls' and 'is a key still akey if there's nowt to unlock'. If dwellings had ever existed then yes, we would be dwelling-less for want of a better word. If the idea of a home had every been made reality then nobody would have one so would be homeless. If homes had never existed, then no - they are not homeless because homes never existed. That's the simple answer now i demand you figments to pick holes in it!! But surely if the home had never existed, we couldn't have a home. We would be without a home, conceptual, spiritual, physical or whatever. We would be homeless without knowing. But if we don't know it and nobody knows it, then are we still it? Is it in fact that we are only certain things because of the label put on us by someone? If no-one knows we are homeless then how could we still be homeles?
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Post by hallmackem on Feb 21, 2008 16:49:37 GMT
Just giving it time Luke...... He is yours.....As a Christian....... Do good people always do right acts? What is the relationship, if any, between good people and right acts? What is a good person? What is a right act? I'd like to come in on this if it's alright with you lot because it's something i've thought about. For the question to be valid in my books there would have to be such a thing as a 'good person'. For me there is no such thing, there are no 'bad people' either... just people. Our acts define us, we are not intrinsicly good or bad. For example: We are all born with the propensity to kill another human being but without something happening to trigger it we will not truly have the desire or even mental capability to do it.
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