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Post by Tyler on Oct 11, 2008 19:34:45 GMT
Was it right?
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Post by nuneatonskyblue on Oct 11, 2008 19:41:10 GMT
a difficult one but i think it was wrong but can accept it for the first few touhes after the incident, am im glad most of the crowd got behind him after a while.
Abit like a manager will have a go at you after a game when you've played bad and then the next game he is encouraging you.
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Post by Tyler on Oct 11, 2008 19:43:04 GMT
Cashley should thank me that i wasn't there
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Post by Wolvensam on Oct 11, 2008 19:58:08 GMT
I'm afraid I don't agree with it, you wouldn't boo a player at your club if he made a mistake like that so why do it on the international stage? I know international matches cost a lot, especially in the current economic climate, and people expect to see a performance - but I pay £540 for a Wolves season ticket, far more than an international match, and I have never once booed a player or my team as a whole. In fact I tend to show my frustration for the performance by simply not doing anything at all.
I also think that you are slightly biased Tyler, supporting Arsenal as a second club and when you consider what Ashley Cole did to them it's no surprise that you consider the way he was treated tonight as fair. I'll be honest, I don't like him either in the slightest as he epitomises what is wrong with footballers these days but I'd support him if he was a Wolves player in the same way I support him when he is wearing the England shirt.
After a mistake like that you should be picking a player up and cheering them on not turning on them.
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Post by Tyler on Oct 11, 2008 20:14:45 GMT
I think thats why he came in for the booes aswell, because of his greedy ways. Now if a player plays well, you cheer him. Just like if he plays bad you boo him.
My ST costs zilch but if i think someone's having a sh*t game i'll make it known
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Post by nuneatonskyblue on Oct 11, 2008 20:16:40 GMT
i think if your going to boo a team/player do it after the game not during it!
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Post by Wolvensam on Oct 11, 2008 20:42:14 GMT
I usually save my rants and raves for the internet!
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Post by ModernizedAge on Oct 11, 2008 21:29:18 GMT
He only made one mistake for their goal.. don't think he deserved it though.
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Post by hallmackem on Oct 11, 2008 21:50:25 GMT
I don't like the idea of booing a player at all.
Unless he's playing for the opposition...
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Post by JoeLatics on Oct 11, 2008 22:18:25 GMT
No no no no no! Yes, it was a shocking error, but did he mean to do it?!
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Post by Dawsey on Oct 12, 2008 11:59:07 GMT
I'm afraid I don't agree with it, you wouldn't boo a player at your club if he made a mistake like that so why do it on the international stage? I know international matches cost a lot, especially in the current economic climate, and people expect to see a performance - but I pay £540 for a Wolves season ticket, far more than an international match, and I have never once booed a player or my team as a whole. In fact I tend to show my frustration for the performance by simply not doing anything at all. I also think that you are slightly biased Tyler, supporting Arsenal as a second club and when you consider what Ashley Cole did to them it's no surprise that you consider the way he was treated tonight as fair. I'll be honest, I don't like him either in the slightest as he epitomises what is wrong with footballers these days but I'd support him if he was a Wolves player in the same way I support him when he is wearing the England shirt. After a mistake like that you should be picking a player up and cheering them on not turning on them. QFT.
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Post by Mark Cunningham on Oct 12, 2008 12:07:52 GMT
He deserved to be booed for his laziness and his overall attitude towards football in general.
They pay a lot of money, travel etc. just for a game and they have the right to vent their frustration at an apparent world class player being so stupid and arrogant by making a silly pass back like that.
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Post by Wolvensam on Oct 12, 2008 13:19:46 GMT
You pay a lot for a Derby season ticket and yet claim to have never booed your team, why should that not apply to an England match when I'm assuming a Derby season ticket costs a far lot more than an average international game? (I'm including travel and food costs in this too btw). I am quite surprised you are considering it acceptable when you are usually so dead against the booing of Derby players.
I highly doubt he meant for that to happen Olly. After that back pass (or pass) he could have hid and not shown his face all game but he was still running up the wing and asking for the ball despite being booed by a bunch of pathetic, fickle cunts every time he got it because of ONE mistake. Fair play to him.
I have never been so embarrassed of being an England fan for all of my life, and I wasn't even there. The players are not going to improve or want to perform if they get berated for mistakes like that.
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Post by JoeLatics on Oct 12, 2008 19:18:28 GMT
Vent their fricking frustration? We scored about 2 minutes after didnt we? What frustration is there to vent?! Oh no, we're only going to win 3-1... make that 4... no 5...
Anyone who boos anyone on their team for a mistake on the pitch is a fickle, fickle fan.
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Post by Wolvensam on Oct 13, 2008 12:28:18 GMT
The best part was when we went 4-1 up and people were no longer booing him. Jesus christ. Then when Beckham came on he was treated like royalty when he's done f*ck all for England in the last couple of seasons. Talk about fickle, no wonder worldwide football fans think England fans are a bunch of mongs. Did you hear the Scots booing Iwelumo when he made that horror miss? No, they got behind him. England fans could learn a thing or two from that. We have IMO one of the best five left backs in the world playing for our country and people are berating him for personal reasons! (I think you'll agree there was more behind the boos than just the back pass, yes?) What a load of bollocks, England fans should only be concerned with what happens on the field. Cole works his arse off for England and did so on Saturday, to call him lazy is silly.
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Post by Wolvensam on Oct 13, 2008 12:39:01 GMT
Well he's "injured" for Belarus apparently. I hope he retires from international football and we're forced to play a donkey like Wayne Bridge there - it would serve the tossers who booed him right.
Who is right midfield for Belarus? Hleb. I would only trust Ashley Cole to contain him, Wayne Bridge won't stand a chance in hell.
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Post by Bismarck on Oct 13, 2008 12:46:39 GMT
The behaviour of these English fans last night was nothing short of ridiculous and indeed shameful. Scotland played Norway earlier in the day and I have no doubt that Chris Iwelumo would by now have been crucified by the England fans had he made the error he did yesterday with three lions on his shirt. Perhaps the difference in the fans is a mentality thing?
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Post by Wolvensam on Oct 13, 2008 12:48:57 GMT
The issue Bismarck is Ashley Cole's personal life. They hate the fact he screwed over his celebrity wife that the majority of the British male population would happily screw, and also the fact he went to Chelsea for more money.
On the money note I dread to think what the English fans must think of Wayne Bridge, he could easily get a contract from at least 14 of the 20 Premier League clubs - yet he seems quite happy warming the bench and picking up his fat juicy pay packet, am I right?
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Post by arover on Oct 13, 2008 13:03:08 GMT
I didn't see the game and consequently haven't seen the error. I suspect though that the error was secondary in this and that Cole took a lot of the stick because he's shown himself to be both greedy and self seeking.
Whatever your feelings thses players get paid an awful lot of money to play football every week and the fans who turn up certainly have the right to show displeasure about a performance if that's how they feel. Professional footballers have had to take stick since forever, it's nothing new. The silly boy has to take a lot of the blame himself for allowing that ridiculous book to be published that was ghost written for him.
The only time I've ever had any time for that Joey Barton was when he publicly criticised Gerrard's & Lampard's books after the last World Cup by saying what is there to say? We went there, we played poo, we went home.
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Post by stealth1039 on Oct 13, 2008 15:19:19 GMT
Not much of a choice for LB is it? Cole - the most overated fullback in the country or Wayne Bridge - the least ambitious fullback in the country.
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Post by Wolvensam on Oct 13, 2008 15:20:35 GMT
I don't see how Ashley Cole is overrated - who in the country is a better left back than him? By which I mean what Englishman.
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Post by stealth1039 on Oct 13, 2008 15:57:54 GMT
He's probably one of the worst tacklers I've seen as a defender but I guess that's the way it is in modern football. As long as you're good going forward you can be the worlds worst defender. Very good at clearing off the line but other than that he leaves me stone cold,
Bridge is no better defensively but is a far better crosser of the ball and more consistently so, for me, of more worth than Cole. I'm really glad both Terry & Cole are out for Wednesday as I think they are both living on past reputations & just have not done it for England, or even Chelsea particularly, for a long time.
Trouble is, there seems to be a dearth of English left backs.
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Oct 13, 2008 19:27:00 GMT
I'm with you Stealth, Ashely Cole is an overrated liability who only makes clearances off the line cos he's been caught out of position or missed a tackle and is forced to cover. However, Bridge isn't much better although probably the preferable option imo.
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Post by Tyler on Oct 13, 2008 20:18:05 GMT
He deserved to be booed for his laziness and his overall attitude towards football in general. They pay a lot of money, travel etc. just for a game and they have the right to vent their frustration at an apparent world class player being so stupid and arrogant by making a silly pass back like that. What he said Vent their fricking frustration? We scored about 2 minutes after didnt we? What frustration is there to vent?! Oh no, we're only going to win 3-1... make that 4... no 5... Anyone who boos anyone on their team for a mistake on the pitch is a fickle, fickle fan. Have you never booed an Oldham player? I find that incredibly difficult to believe. Also, think of it as a player who isn't exactly a fans favourite and he gives away a goal to a Sunday league team. How would you react? The best part was when we went 4-1 up and people were no longer booing him. Jesus christ. Then when Beckham came on he was treated like royalty when he's done f*ck all for England in the last couple of seasons. Talk about fickle, no wonder worldwide football fans think England fans are a bunch of mongs. Did you hear the Scots booing Iwelumo when he made that horror miss? No, they got behind him. England fans could learn a thing or two from that. We have IMO one of the best five left backs in the world playing for our country and people are berating him for personal reasons! (I think you'll agree there was more behind the boos than just the back pass, yes?) What a load of bollocks, England fans should only be concerned with what happens on the field. Cole works his arse off for England and did so on Saturday, to call him lazy is silly. Fans treat Beckham like royalty because he shows pride, heart and effort. Also he's one of our best players. Iwelumo wasn't booed because it's his first game and he hasn't got a past that involvs cheating, lies, deception and crashing when only offered 50,000K a week. I really feel for him though. How can he be expected to get by with only £50,000 a week. Must be awful for him.
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Post by thefullback on Oct 13, 2008 20:28:52 GMT
Englishman mmmmmmmmm left fullback mmmmmmmm what about Andy Dawson, seem to remember he did a decent job on young Walcott the other week.
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Post by nuneatonskyblue on Oct 13, 2008 20:35:22 GMT
I don't see how Ashley Cole is overrated - who in the country is a better left back than him? By which I mean what Englishman. What Englishman is a better left back than him? well in terms of commitment and desire all you have to do is look into the under 21 squad! and that counts for all positions! The only problem is England managers only choose from the top division! and a fair chunk of the under 21s are in the championship. they are the players who have more commitment and desire than 90% of the 1st team. How may times do you see under 21s crying out in the papers and on the tele for thier chance? in my eyes the Kazakhstan (spelling?) manager had the right idea, kicking all the 1st teamers out and using the under 21s, its just a shame for him that he hasn't got the quality in the under 21s as we have.
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Post by Wolvensam on Oct 14, 2008 8:08:46 GMT
Ashley Cole is the best LB in the country whether people will freely admit it or not. Who is the England U21 left back? Daniel Fox? Andrew Taylor? I'm sorry but they're nowhere near as good as Ashley Cole, commitment and desire is all well and good but you need the quality as well which wins you games and competitions.
I could probably name three, maybe four I would call up to England at the moment from the U21s.
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Post by Wolvensam on Oct 14, 2008 8:09:43 GMT
Fans treat Beckham like royalty because he shows pride, heart and effort. Also he's one of our best players. Beckham one of our best players? Maybe a couple of years ago mate. If you think Ashley Cole epitomises a money grabbing waster then I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on a certain Wayne Bridge. He could easily get in the starting line-up of 13-14 of the 20 Premier League clubs, yet he seems quite happy warming the Chelsea bench and collecting his fat pay packet doesn't he? What about Frank Lampard and John Terry who stalled on contracts worth £100k a week because they wanted more?
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Oct 15, 2008 19:16:46 GMT
I still disagree that Cole is the best left back in the country. And it's not an irrational hatred of him - i don't really give a toss about him and if he wants to cheat on Cheryl that's his business, she's not that fit anyway...
But for the reasons outlined i don't think he's a reliable left back in the slightest. Admittedly we aren't exactly blessed by classy left backs in this country but Bridge is better imo. I don't care if Cole's a 'money grabbing waster' or not - it's the nature of the beast. If the money is there for the players to squeeze out of the clubs then fair play to them for doing it before inevitably the salary cap comes in and lowers wages.
I hope that is a reasonable summary of my feeling towards Cole.
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Post by Tyler on Oct 16, 2008 15:08:43 GMT
Fans treat Beckham like royalty because he shows pride, heart and effort. Also he's one of our best players. Beckham one of our best players? Maybe a couple of years ago mate. If you think Ashley Cole epitomises a money grabbing waster then I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on a certain Wayne Bridge. He could easily get in the starting line-up of 13-14 of the 20 Premier League clubs, yet he seems quite happy warming the Chelsea bench and collecting his fat pay packet doesn't he? What about Frank Lampard and John Terry who stalled on contracts worth £100k a week because they wanted more? I think they're both wankers aswell
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