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Post by Bismarck on Sept 11, 2008 11:31:31 GMT
Unless you were the small minority who subscribe to Sentanta you would not have seen the game last night.....
So,should we all be able to watch our National Teams for free?
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Post by stealth1039 on Sept 11, 2008 12:23:04 GMT
Given the fact that so many people already put their club before country I think it's absolutely essential if we are to maintain any interest in international football. Otherwise it will become like boxing when it moved to Sky.
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Post by Bismarck on Sept 11, 2008 12:55:11 GMT
There's no real debate. National game, national team, national coverage. Of course Setanta can do what they like but I worry what effect this has on kids who can't just slip down the pub to watch the game.
We keep saying time and time again that the people in charge of football in this country are dangerously complacent. They have no vision,no integrity and no appreciation of the gem with which they have been entrusted. The FA has little interest in the long term future of football, it simply wants to find ways to pay off the £416.6m it still owes for that ridiculous white elephant in north west London.....
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Post by stealth1039 on Sept 11, 2008 13:11:36 GMT
There's no real debate. National game, national team, national coverage. Of course Setanta can do what they like but I worry what effect this has on kids who can't just slip down the pub to watch the game. Totally, completely, absolutely agree with you 100%. If they don't see it they won't want to participate so eventually football becomes a minority sport.We keep saying time and time again that the people in charge of football in this country are dangerously complacent. They have no vision,no integrity and no appreciation of the gem with which they have been entrusted. The FA has little interest in the long term future of football, it simply wants to find ways to pay off the £416.6m it still owes for that ridiculous white elephant in north west London..... Again I agree entirely. it's just another example of the malaise gripping this country today. Instant gratification, no vision for the future.
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Post by bantambuff on Sept 11, 2008 13:34:58 GMT
sky sports,setanta debate Its not on that I have to buy either of the above to watch England. I bought a sky subscription to watch a minority sport (Speedway) that was not televised by any other channels. Now to watch England I have to buy Setanta or go to the pub. Needing to drive at 6.00am, this is no good for me in the week, unless I stay on soft drinks.
It won't be too far in the future, when `pubs` don't exist.
The pubs are shutting down. We cant smoke. We cant afford fuel. We cant afford to watch footy on tv. We cant say love to barmaids.
.............rule britannia
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Post by stealth1039 on Sept 11, 2008 13:42:03 GMT
Good point there as well Bantam. Not only will kids not be able to watch it neither will many adults as there won't be any pubs left to go to!
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Post by Wolvensam on Sept 11, 2008 14:37:27 GMT
I get Setanta for free so I'm not bothered either way.
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Post by a king of orient on Sept 11, 2008 14:59:21 GMT
I get Setanta for free so I'm not bothered either way. But you are in a massive minority. It's not right that millions of people can't watch their country play. Even the highlights are shown on Setanta and we get stuck with just seeing the goals on BBC News really, really late.
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Post by stealth1039 on Sept 11, 2008 19:42:28 GMT
Last figures I saw were 3 million Sky & 2 million cable customers. That's out of 30 million households.
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Post by stealth1039 on Sept 11, 2008 19:54:54 GMT
I get Setanta for free so I'm not bothered either way. You should be. If people lose interest to the extent there's no market for it the commercial stations will soon stop showing it as well. Besides, even the P.M. is worried: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7610137.stm
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Post by andynufcfan on Sept 11, 2008 21:07:54 GMT
i feel sorry for setanta i honestly dont know what theyve done theyve bought the rights and its a national travesty yet when sky had them noone said a thing cant disagree it should be on BBC 1 or ITV.
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Post by stealth1039 on Sept 11, 2008 21:31:29 GMT
i feel sorry for setanta i honestly dont know what theyve done theyve bought the rights and its a national travesty yet when sky had them noone said a thing cant disagree it should be on BBC 1 or ITV. I was totally against Sky having it as well Andy. Anyway, now Wenger has come out against all the foreign investment. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7611410.stmDidn't notice him saying anything about selling out to Sky's money?
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Post by arover on Sept 12, 2008 9:08:24 GMT
Setanta bought the rights, it's business.
Are we saying that in our capitalist economy some thinngs ought to be above business?
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Post by stealth1039 on Sept 12, 2008 9:13:10 GMT
The NHS for one.
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Post by arover on Sept 12, 2008 9:23:56 GMT
The NHS isn't above busines though, there are budgets, targets and ratings tied to a huge bureaucracy.
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Post by stealth1039 on Sept 12, 2008 9:30:16 GMT
That's just common sense though Arover - apart from the targets which are the reason for most of the unnecessary bureaucrats. The free market should still not be involved in the NHS via "outsourcing" - management consultants latest buzz word for ensuring customers get worse service than they did when companies had their own staff.
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Sept 15, 2008 20:31:33 GMT
It's an interesting point Bismarck. I'd be interested to see the curent roster of listed events (sporting events that have to be shown on terrestrial e.g. FA Cup final, World Cup, Wimbledon etc.) as it is dwindling.
All it would take is a massive boost in interest of a sport such as Rugby and the BBC getting exclusive rights and football could become more of a minority fault. I liek the comparison to Boxing Stealth, of course football is more popular than Boxing ever was but it's suffered a massive decline.
It's no coincidence that the quality of fighters is going down when all the fights are pay-per-view (both here and the States). How many people are gonna pay £14.95 to see a fight? It's a vicious circle. People can't afford to watch Boxing, so there are no heroes for kids to want to emulate like the past. So, they don't become boxers and the quality goes down so there are still no heroes etc etc.
Sad state of affairs.
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Post by Wolvensam on Sept 16, 2008 9:09:06 GMT
How many people are gonna pay £14.95 to see a fight? My dad did.
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Post by stealth1039 on Sept 16, 2008 12:23:36 GMT
As a matter of interest do the pubs show boxing? I assume not as so many would be at outlandish hours so I guess football would be different to that extent. However, a lot of pubs are now refusing to pay the £1,000 that Sky demand for a licence (Setanta charge extra for theirs) so even that is becoming less of an option for those individuals who refuse to be ripped off by Sky.
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Post by Bismarck on Sept 16, 2008 13:13:49 GMT
Setanta bought the rights, it's business. Are we saying that in our capitalist economy some thinngs ought to be above business? You make a fair point Arover but the increasing commercialisation of sport has contributed to the ludicrous wages we see paid to 'top' sportsmen, the rising prices for admission to the terraces and the increasing difficulty the traditional sports fan has to access their sport. If the money went to the grass-roots then maybe it would be more acceptable, but as it seems to service ever larger debts; witness the FA's probable forced sale of a large share in the Wembley Stadium I doubt the benefits of increased media revenues......
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Post by Bismarck on Sept 16, 2008 13:32:04 GMT
It's an interesting point Bismarck. I'd be interested to see the curent roster of listed events (sporting events that have to be shown on terrestrial e.g. FA Cup final, World Cup, Wimbledon etc.) as it is dwindling. All it would take is a massive boost in interest of a sport such as Rugby and the BBC getting exclusive rights and football could become more of a minority fault. I liek the comparison to Boxing Stealth, of course football is more popular than Boxing ever was but it's suffered a massive decline. It's no coincidence that the quality of fighters is going down when all the fights are pay-per-view (both here and the States). How many people are gonna pay £14.95 to see a fight? It's a vicious circle. People can't afford to watch Boxing, so there are no heroes for kids to want to emulate like the past. So, they don't become boxers and the quality goes down so there are still no heroes etc etc. Sad state of affairs. As pubs are disappearing at the rate of 36 per week due to the excessive rents, costs such as the fees charged by Sky for a pub rental the audience will diminish in the face of the credit crunch. I can't be bothered with Setanta for the Celtic sports and SPL, but would much prefer that 'Crown Jewel' sports were returned to the terrestrial channels.
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Post by stealth1039 on Sept 16, 2008 14:07:46 GMT
That list Luke mentions will dwindle even further if FIFA & EUFA have their way. They recently proposed that the earlier stages of the Finals should be subject to commercial pressures & only the finals themselves should be free to air. Lemmings, cliffs & golden geese come to mind.
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Sept 16, 2008 22:19:56 GMT
How many people are gonna pay £14.95 to see a fight? My dad did. I know and i wasn't having a dig but he would've been in a minority for sure. It'll be even less for the next fight now he's lost, hopefully Sky will eventually give up on Boxing...
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Post by Wolvensam on Sept 17, 2008 13:56:42 GMT
I didn't take it as a dig Luke - I'm rather embarrassed he did that myself!!
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Sept 17, 2008 18:59:40 GMT
Didn't you convince him to Sam
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Post by Wolvensam on Sept 18, 2008 10:25:11 GMT
I only wanted to see Amir Khan get raped.
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Post by arover on Sept 18, 2008 14:25:33 GMT
Raped?
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Post by bantambuff on Sept 18, 2008 14:38:22 GMT
I have to say I am very concerned about the direction football is taking, in particular the Premier League. Various websites show that there appears to be a growing movement among football fans towards supporting the smaller clubs (quite right too). My experiences support that view as IMO the lower leagues have a game that we all can relate to. It is obvious to me how much City means to our fans, and on other team websites, how much their teams mean to them. Credit must go to Mssrs Lawn and Rhodes for placing the club firmly back in the domain of the supporters and enabling the average man on the street to go back to the ground and watch the team. It is noticable that following the success of last year's ticket promotion, other clubs have jumped on the bandwagon too.
As far as the national team goes, we will be picking from a very small pool of premiership players soon. Who knows, perhaps the supporters of some of the big clubs will get tired of being held hostage to the brand and start looking to support their local - albeit less glamorous- teams. Strangley enough, despite the Football League doing their best to ruin the Luton's, Bournemouth's and Rotherham's of this world, I see the day where the lower leagues will be understood to be the true spiritual home of beautiful game and its symbiotic relationship with the true supporter. Oops, time to stop being nasty to the poor old 'greedy league'.
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Post by Wolvensam on Sept 18, 2008 14:45:38 GMT
Beat very badly, not literally raped.
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Post by Tyler on Sept 18, 2008 20:50:57 GMT
Well he's from Bolton so the likelihood is e probably will be literally raped.
Back to topic, yes they should, but the FA or anyone can't do anything about the away games. Also, if people get footie, then people will want rugby, then cricket, then tennis, then golf and it will all spiral out of control to cater for people's needs when there simplay aren't enough channels. Now the fat cats couldn't care less who watches their packages, just as long as they get the money
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