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Post by Bismarck on Jul 20, 2008 12:31:13 GMT
Well,does it exist?Of course it does....but to what degree?
I remember a certain Harry Kewell who was eager to repay the clubs faith in him through a series of injuries, which effectively saw him getting paid a lot of wages for very little games. The same Harry Kewell who was offered a new contract on lesser terms and refused it outright…but,Harry Kewell is just one example. What about Ryan Giggs or Jamie Carragher? If loyalty is dead I fail to see how these two players have ever turned their backs on their club......discuss...
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Post by stealth1039 on Jul 21, 2008 18:28:20 GMT
"Well,does it exist?Of course it does....but to what degree?"
To the degree that I had to look the definition up in a medieval dictionary!
Seriously, as Roy Keane said the clubs won't be particularly loyal to you after they've finished with you so I suppose the players have every right to make what they can while the can in one way. In the old days if you had had 10 years with one club you got a benefit match to give you a pension. When did anyone last attend one of these?
On the other hand wouldn't it be great if both players & clubs DID have some loyalty to each other.
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Post by Bismarck on Jul 22, 2008 21:28:19 GMT
Much as the fans adore the idea of a one-club player, the likes of Gary Neville and Paolo Maldini are a dying breed. In today’s environment, where talents are exchanged/bought/sold each season, players are far more likely to have played for at least 2 clubs. It’s just a matter of which club will receive the best of the players’ years......
For these footballers, football is a job - it pays their (exorbitant) salaries and it brings money home to their families. Granted, the figures are astronomical but it’s ultimately a job. As with any other job, you move for pretty much the same reason as the average Joe does - better pay, better environment etc. The difference of course that in football, glory and titles are at stake.......
United’s Michael Carrick is an easy but good example - West Ham to Spurs to United. He has admitted that every move was done with the aim of having a better chance at a higher level of success. His PL Champions’ medal will certainly justify his actions in his eyes.
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Post by JoeLatics on Sept 26, 2008 17:33:29 GMT
Does it exist? Chris Taylor turning down double wages at Blackpool in the summer to stay at Latics... On the other hand, you get Chris Po**er, who cost us £100k, then did a runner to Scotland, leaving us with NO compesation at all... Im undecided...
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Post by Enya_NTFC on Sept 26, 2008 19:24:45 GMT
Jason Crowe seems pretty loyal he's turned down Ipswich and Plymouth to stay with us.
I thought Bunn was just going to leave us, but we managed to sell him.
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Post by Wolvensam on Sept 26, 2008 20:50:39 GMT
Wayne Hennessey turned down a £5.5m move to Everton in the summer, pretty loyal IMO.
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Post by Tyler on Sept 26, 2008 21:06:01 GMT
Ok Stealth, i'll give you Giggs. I heard somewhere that the reason Carragher wears long sleeves is because his arms are ful of Everton tatoos
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Post by nuneatonskyblue on Sept 26, 2008 21:09:03 GMT
Michael Doyle stayed with the club after Robert Page punch his front teeth out! at 1st there was talk of him wanting out but nothing came of it and he stayed. 1st game back and he scored a pen and kissed the badge (the only cov player at the minute that i would be happy with doing that). I believe he was 19 when he made his 1st appearance, he is now 27!
the last cov player to get a testimonial game for cov was Richard Shaw 3 years ago. He then left for Millwall and got a great reception when he came back for the FA Cup last season. Marcus Hall is coventry through and through always has been always will be and every cov fan knows that, albeit on his second stint at the club im sure he's close to 10 years!
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Post by hallmackem on Sept 26, 2008 22:46:31 GMT
Niall Quinn is possiby our best example.
We saved his career, he saved our club.
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Sept 28, 2008 16:11:37 GMT
Players couldn't give a monkey's about their clubs on the whole - yeah they profess to be loyal and love the club but eventually that loyalty can be bought for exorbitant wages and the promise of more film premieres.
The examples mentioned of one club men (Giggs, Neville, Maldini etc) are good examples yes butit's easier to be loyal when you always have the opportunity of league and Champions League medals, so don't think this is too amazing. What the game needs more of is the Matt Le Tissiers who stay with one mediocre (sorry Tim), unfashionable for the whole time, that is loyalty.
And look how loved Le Tissier is by Saints' fans and by contrast look at how loved Cashley Cole is... Fans will love a player if their is evidence of commitment to the club (like sky blue's examples) and this is a trait going out of fashion fast. In 25 years clubs will have the same terrace heroes as they do today and that's sad because very very few current players are worthy of fans' love...
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Post by arover on Sept 28, 2008 16:17:50 GMT
Giggs, Scholes, Neville (x2 for a while), God knows how many titles. No coincidence though.
Maldini, Raul, Totti are the only others who come to mind. Oh yes Costacurta till he retired.
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Post by Wolvensam on Oct 4, 2008 10:58:32 GMT
I think the days of loyalty on the level of the likes of Matt Le Tissier and Steve Bull is long gone.
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Oct 5, 2008 17:04:20 GMT
Sadly i think you're right Sam.
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Post by stealth1039 on Oct 6, 2008 13:34:39 GMT
No she's not Luke:-
I think the days of loyalty on the level of the likes of Matt Le Tissier and Steve Bull is ARE long gone.
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Oct 6, 2008 20:17:33 GMT
Pedantry is a shining example to the nation. Here on RHF we are single-handedly trying to combat the falling grammatical standards of the people of this country...
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Post by stealth1039 on Oct 6, 2008 21:05:49 GMT
And fighting a losing battle Still what do you expect with predictive text etc.
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Post by JoeLatics on Oct 7, 2008 19:22:26 GMT
Classic Bill Bailey
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Post by Wolvensam on Oct 7, 2008 20:20:03 GMT
No she's not Luke:- I think the days of loyalty on the level of the likes of Matt Le Tissier and Steve Bull is ARE long gone. To be fair I think I'd just woken up when I wrote that!
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Oct 7, 2008 20:41:35 GMT
Gramatically correct or not - the point is legitimate sadly...
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Post by stealth1039 on Oct 8, 2008 10:20:44 GMT
Of course it is but, even sadder, it's exactly the same in every company in every industry - and it works in both directions.
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Post by Wolvensam on Oct 9, 2008 18:24:14 GMT
I often think Steve Bull was a bit of a fool to stay at Wolves when you consider the clubs interested in him: Barcelona, Ajax, Manchester United, Juventus, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Boca Juniors, Newcastle and Inter Milan (off the top of my head, and what I can see on Wiki). Any of those clubs could have offered him infinitely better wages and he would have made it in to the top flight easily, arguably had a longer international career because of it and certainly a bigger bank balance. Mind you, he stayed here, scored 306 goals, got a stand named after him and received an MBE for his loyalty - so it evened itself out I think. You certainly wouldn't see players doing that these days!
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Post by nuneatonskyblue on Oct 11, 2008 8:17:32 GMT
Coventry City defender Marcus Hall has been awarded a testimonial after racking up 14 seasons with the club.
After completing a spell as a YTS trainee, Hall, 32, made his full debut against Manchester United in May 1995.
He left the Sky Blues for Nottingham Forest in 2002, before having spells at Southampton and Stoke City.
But he returned to Coventry in 2005 and has now made 276 appearances for the Sky Blues, scoring two league goals.
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