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Post by stealth1039 on Jun 22, 2008 17:43:59 GMT
Lots of people including professional pundits sympathise when managers are sacked saying it's because the players hadn't performed for him etc. However, surely Hiddink proves that the right manager can perform miracles even without the very best raw materials to work with IF HE'S GOOD ENOUGH.
Forget "The Special One" with all Abramovich's billions to play with, forget Real's managers with untold funds, forget even Fergie who has had his fair share of funds at Man U. Guus has achieved with 3 sets of players who can hardly produce a household name from amongst them - let alone a superstar (although Arshavin will be). So is the manager actually more important the a clubs players?
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Jun 26, 2008 16:19:38 GMT
The manager is very important but certainly not more important than the players. For example if Hiddink, Wenger, Fergie whoever went to manage Nuneaton they would not suddenly beat Man UTd even if Utd had Les Reed in charge!!!
Both are imprtant as a manager can get the best out of average players and amazing players can make mediocre managers look good. But imo - the players are still more important, as natural talent wll normally shine through.
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Post by a king of orient on Jun 26, 2008 16:22:03 GMT
I have to agree with both of you here. I reckon they are both as important as each other because neither can do well without the other.
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Post by stealth1039 on Jun 26, 2008 17:27:06 GMT
I tend to agree that they are equal but then I think of Cloughie. Notts Forest were not a big club & never had more than pretty ordinary players really but Clough's man management skills were such that he even made a lump of wood like Birtles in to a million pound player, winning the European Cup twice along the way. Would Forest have achieved that with the same players & any other manager?
May be EXCEPTIONAL managers are more important than the players just as exceptional players can be more important to an ordinary team just by having that extra bit of class.
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Post by nuneatonskyblue on Jun 28, 2008 8:10:22 GMT
The manager is very improtant. He is the man who has a great impact on wether a player signs or doesn't. He is the man who puts faith into players to entertain fans He is the man who with 1 substitution could change a game He is the man who sits in front of the press and says what went wrong or right He is the leader! He is the King of the jungle, The man amongst boys, the shark amongst fish
The Nuneaton Town (as it is now offically called) manager Kevin Wilkin is arguably the biggest reason so many players are coming back or staying with Nuneaton, even though they have been relegated 2 divisions because they went into liquidation.
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Post by nicco212 on Jul 4, 2008 22:23:36 GMT
I Agree the Manager can make or break a Team...
Signings , Backroom Staff , Morale (both players and fans) , etc etc
Its the final contact before a Team makes their way to the pitch
Tactics are very important too , and it's the Manager that has the responsibility for making the right tactical decision for the specific game whether being Home and Away
More Importantly... Having the respect of the players is a must..by far.
IMO once a Manager loses the dressing room its all over
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Post by stealth1039 on Jul 5, 2008 11:45:04 GMT
Must admit the more I think about it the more I think the manager is really the most crucial component of a club. For all the reasons Nick & Skyblue stated but most importantly, now football is global, tactics are ever more important as is the ability to get players of different nationalities to work together. There's also the economics of supply & demand as there are far fewer quality managers to choose from than quality players.
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Post by Wolvensam on Jul 7, 2008 9:25:02 GMT
I would say very important - like Nick said once the manager loses the dressing room and the respect of the players it's basically all over. IMO it's also important that the manager adopts the mentality that he isn't a push over. The manager is the one that builds the team both on and off the field and is the one that affects the over all mentality and image of the club.
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Post by stealth1039 on Jul 7, 2008 15:29:51 GMT
Funny, I started this thread thinking it was probably an even balance but the arguments have definitely swayed me towards the manager actually being MORE important than the players and the more I think about it the more reasons I can think of as to why. A player really only has to concentrate on his part in the game plan whilst the manager has to formulate that game plan for all eleven players after having bought the right ones to make it gel, explain it to them ensuring they understand their part in it & then adjust it as the game goes along to match any changes the other manager may make. So how come managers only usually earn about half the top players wages?
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Post by arover on Jul 7, 2008 16:52:23 GMT
Things have moved on quite a lot in the last few years, these days top managers have to effectively be professors of football.
Let's hope Paul Ince learns how to be one quickly.
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Post by stealth1039 on Jul 7, 2008 18:23:09 GMT
The role has certainly changed over the last 50 years. At that time the manager was the top man setting the budget, buying & selling players, agreeing players & staff wages even really, the day to day running of the club so he was effectively a Managing Director - involved in all aspects of a football club. Now, it's a more limited job thanks to specialisation but probably no less important in terms of the success of the club as success on the field is what drives financial stability.
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Post by FezNTFC on Jul 25, 2008 15:44:00 GMT
Before i always thought the manager wasn't as important as the Players. However, Stuart Gray has completely changed my mind on this. Gray has managed to get the best out of every single one of his players, and as a result we have a team. Also he has been the most shrewd manager we have ever had in the Transfer Market.
I put our improvement not down to the players we have, but firmly at the hands of Stuart Gray. So now in my opinion, managers are just as important as players.
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