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Post by JoeLatics on Dec 15, 2007 17:40:27 GMT
A signing to rival the controvasy of Carlos Teves'... Lee Hughes signed for Oldham whilst in jail, and we recieved a poo-load of stick But now, he's becoming one of the hottest properties in Lague 1. Scoring a hat-trick today, and several others recently, Im starting to think it was all worth it. I like the way the Latics website has got over his jailing on his profile page... Personal reasons?! He got banged up in jail for gods sake! Your thoughts? Should we have signed him? Are there any better strikers in L1? Did Latics make the bargin of the century?
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Post by Tyler on Dec 16, 2007 11:11:54 GMT
Q1:No.People would do anything to play professional football and the privelige is given to some coward who got banged up.
Q2:Beckford,Garner and maybe Kirk rounds off that question
Q3:He shouldn't have been let out.End of story,and Barca made the bargain of the century with Henry
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Post by Tyler on Dec 16, 2007 11:12:46 GMT
And Joe,it seems as if you're proud to have a criminal like him at your club
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Post by Wolvensam on Dec 16, 2007 15:44:26 GMT
Feed the murderer, feed the murderer, feed the murderer and he will score. Feed the murderer and he will score.
Not only is he Albion scum but he's also a coward, monkey'sing twat.
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Post by FezNTFC on Dec 16, 2007 16:24:02 GMT
Should you have signed him? I don't blame you for it, as he is a very good footballer. BUT, he simply should not have been let out of jail, so he shouldn't have been allowed to find a club.
Are there better strikers in League One? Yes, Beckford, Garner, Kirk, Scotland and Kandol are better.
Was it a bargain? That remains to be seen. You will only get an answer out of me on that one at the end of the season.
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Post by JoeLatics on Dec 16, 2007 21:03:57 GMT
Q3:He shouldn't have been let out.End of story. OK- very difficult one this. Firstly, there are thousands of players who have a crazy night out once - probably all of them do Tyler. In fact, millions of people do it every night. He was just unlucky enough to - well, be unlucky! Secondly, if it was a plumber who loved to plumb, would you stop him from plumbing after being released? Third, if he played for Northampton, or the Wolves, or Derby, or whoever you support, and he was scoring this rate of goals, you'd support him! We've never condoned what he did, but why cant he just be allowed to get on with his life?
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Post by Tyler on Dec 16, 2007 21:17:31 GMT
Yeah i'd ban him from plumbing,they're national role models to kids aren't they?
If that wanker played for us i'd boo him when he touched the ball,or looked at me
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Post by Mark Cunningham on Dec 16, 2007 21:19:02 GMT
Q3:He shouldn't have been let out.End of story. OK- very difficult one this. Firstly, there are thousands of players who have a crazy night out once - probably all of them do Tyler. In fact, millions of people do it every night. He was just unlucky enough to - well, be unlucky! Secondly, if it was a plumber who loved to plumb, would you stop him from plumbing after being released? Third, if he played for Northampton, or the Wolves, or Derby, or whoever you support, and he was scoring this rate of goals, you'd support him! We've never condoned what he did, but why cant he just be allowed to get on with his life? Ok, 1) Yes players do have crazy nights out, but they rarely kill some-one, let alone run away like a coward, which makes it 10 times as worse. 2) Plumbers aren't role models, and isn't a luxurious job either, footballers are role models, would you want Latic kid supporters looking up to a murderer? Thought not, football is a luxury job to have, he doesn't deserve that. 3) If he played for Derby, i am being completely honest, i would boo him if he scores, i would not tolerate a murderer at my club and would be disgusted at the board for signing such a player.
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Dec 16, 2007 22:08:54 GMT
I'm gonna go against the grain in this one. He's done his time and served his punishment, so of course he should be allowed to play footy again.
The aim of our justice system is reformation, changing people, giving them a second chance. What he did was wrong but he's done the time, so deservesto do what he loves again.
He's been a good signing and it's not like he's the first footballer to go to jail and come out and play again. Le him do what he loves and if he played for Charlton i would spport him, showing my faith n our justice system.
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Post by Wolvensam on Dec 17, 2007 15:17:56 GMT
He's a murderer who fled the scene of the crime and only got 4 years, how does that portray our 'good' justice system?
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Post by nicco212 on Dec 17, 2007 15:26:53 GMT
Bit of a sore subject this... I did'nt really knew what he did..I mean I knew it was something to do with a car accident but never knew it was a hit and run incident...
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Post by likeasharkinafunnyhat on Dec 17, 2007 16:11:19 GMT
He should have got life
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Post by Tyler on Dec 17, 2007 16:19:42 GMT
I think the fish sums up the thread
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Post by Bismarck on Dec 17, 2007 17:47:15 GMT
3 years for driving whilst drunk, killing one person, severely injuring two others and running away from the crime scene?! This is obscene and completely immoral. He should have received a much longer sentence and should not be free halfway through that sentence. A few people here seem to have forgotten that Hughes tried to get his sentence reduced. I see no evidence of regret, remorse or respect. If he had been a scaffolder or whatever people have suggested, he would be unlikely to get his job back as he had a prison record. Why should Hughes be able to simply walk back into his old job as if nothing has happened. He killed Douglas Graham just as surely as if he had taken a gun and shot the man. Hughes has not 'served his time', he served half of an inappropriate sentence. How do you measure the value of a man's life? How can you ever 'serve your time' when you have wilfully and deliberately killed a man by your thoughtless, selfish actions......?
He killed a father of four and severely injured the man's wife and friend. He was sentenced to 6 years and is out in 3. But it's nice to know that the Oldham director is concerned about the reaction of the fans. Got the priorities right then......
So Lee Hughes "served his time" but does not mean that justice has been done?
How can anybody who commits such a devastaing crime be allowed out of prison in less that 20 years?
Why does Lee Hughes deserve a second chance? Are not some crimes simply unforgivable?
It seems to me that the legal system in this country no longer delievers punishments that fit the crime......
That's how I feel folks.....
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Post by Tyler on Dec 17, 2007 18:32:59 GMT
Crikey
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Dec 17, 2007 19:07:40 GMT
Even if you disagree with the sentence or the number of years he served that isn't really the issue. It is judged that he has done his time and has now been released, whether i or anyone else agrees with this is irrelevant.
You say you see no evidence of regret. Just because he doesn't necessarily hold a press conference where he cries and says how remorseful he is, doesn't mean he isn't sorry for what he did. Who are we to judge another man's (who we have never had any contact with) regret?
Unless you served on the jury at the case, spoke to him in prison or have had a conversation about it with him afterwards, then i feel it's unfair to decide whether he is regretful or not.
He is out now and should be allowed to continue playing football, once he is out of jail, he should be free to do what he wants and that is play football. In the eyes of our justice system he has 'served his time', so shouldn't be punished anymore.
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Post by JoeLatics on Dec 17, 2007 21:07:36 GMT
thank you and yes, he obviously does want to make up for it, as hes put 2 clauses in his contract, which he asked for, 1 making him do x amount of charity work a month, and one making him give x% if his wages to charity every month. He asked for those, so.....
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Post by vplgringo on Dec 17, 2007 23:37:20 GMT
How has he been playing?
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Post by yorkshiretyke on Dec 18, 2007 8:20:52 GMT
Just wonder if i knocked down someone while weeed if i would have been let out Carn't blame hughs for takeing his secound chance And the charity work is all well n good.But think they ought to look the judge up for 20 years for letting him out
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Post by Wolvensam on Dec 18, 2007 15:31:43 GMT
Bissy pretty much hit the nail on the head for me, yes electricians or plumbers would be allowed back into work under the same circumstances but they are not going to be role models to young fans like Lee Hughes is.
I'm surprised no Lactics fans have complained but then again they probably don't care as long as he's scoring goals..
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Post by Bismarck on Dec 18, 2007 16:11:39 GMT
Sorry if my rant upset people but my brother was killed in a drunken attack and I am very bitter about it....
I liked Olly's point....if he was at Derby Olly would boo him if he scored....I would do the same if he was at Wrexham.....
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Post by Tyler on Dec 18, 2007 17:11:18 GMT
thank you and yes, he obviously does want to make up for it, as hes put 2 clauses in his contract, which he asked for, 1 making him do x amount of charity work a month, and one making him give x% if his wages to charity every month. He asked for those, so..... He's doing charity work is he? Eh up,here comes that murdered bloke. It's a miracle! Hughes has brought that dead guy back.What a great man he is
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Post by FezNTFC on Dec 18, 2007 17:22:29 GMT
I'm with YorkshireTyke on this one. You can't blame Hughes for getting a second chance, it's the morons who LET him do it that we should be moaning at.
I wouldn't say he doesn't feel remorse. He has apologised for his actions, it is obvious he regrets it, what human couldn't?
I am not excusing him, he should still be in jail. What he did was unforgiveable, but to be honest, what more can he do to make up for it? He is not evil, he is just a very very silly man.
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Post by Bismarck on Dec 18, 2007 17:44:05 GMT
There are a lot of complex issues. It was not an ‘accident’. Hughes knew he’d been drinking and didn’t just drive but drove recklessly.
He is still fighting compensation claims and to my knowledge hasn’t appologised.
He has served his sentence, but should his crime be forgotten and swept under the carpet. I don’t think it should be forgotten. He is free to play but the fans of other clubs and even of Oldham are free to let them know their feelings toward him.
Oldham’s gain is a poisoned chalice which will haunt the ‘family’ club for years to come. The greed of a free striker comes above thoughts of the families involved. He will be paid around £100k a year for his job.
Most folk convicted of similar crime would struggle to find employement after such a crime let alone pick up that sort of a wage.
If hughes wants to face the abuse, so be it he’s free to do so, but don;t defend him and don’t protect him from the verbal abuse he’ll get.
HE HAS NOT DONE THE TIME !!!! It was a six year sentence remember (which in my opinion was much too short anyway). He can go back to living like a king now while the family of the deceased are still laying flowers on the grave.
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Post by FezNTFC on Dec 18, 2007 17:59:09 GMT
There are a lot of complex issues. It was not an ‘accident’. Hughes knew he’d been drinking and didn’t just drive but drove recklessly. He is still fighting compensation claims and to my knowledge hasn’t appologised. He has served his sentence, but should his crime be forgotten and swept under the carpet. I don’t think it should be forgotten. He is free to play but the fans of other clubs and even of Oldham are free to let them know their feelings toward him. Oldham’s gain is a poisoned chalice which will haunt the ‘family’ club for years to come. The greed of a free striker comes above thoughts of the families involved. He will be paid around £100k a year for his job. Most folk convicted of similar crime would struggle to find employement after such a crime let alone pick up that sort of a wage. If hughes wants to face the abuse, so be it he’s free to do so, but don;t defend him and don’t protect him from the verbal abuse he’ll get. HE HAS NOT DONE THE TIME !!!! It was a six year sentence remember (which in my opinion was much too short anyway). He can go back to living like a king now while the family of the deceased are still laying flowers on the grave. Overall, good points. But to my knowledge, he apologised in his opening press conference at Oldham. Very little comfort the the family of those he killed, but it's a start.
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Post by Bismarck on Dec 18, 2007 18:48:38 GMT
I know Fez.....personal experiences getting in the way chum....
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Post by JoeLatics on Dec 18, 2007 19:07:55 GMT
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Post by JoeLatics on Dec 18, 2007 19:10:19 GMT
very well
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Post by Bismarck on Dec 18, 2007 19:20:10 GMT
Joe,you don't have to defend your position on this issue mate.....we are just posting our opinions....
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Post by JoeLatics on Dec 18, 2007 19:24:42 GMT
as i am with mine, Im just posting some fact for those who didnt believe me when i said that he was remorsful, and those who slaughter me on msn for being a proper fan.
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