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Post by Lukiebakercafc on May 22, 2008 21:28:57 GMT
Alright - i love this thread, so i have another few questions for you:
1) Are we actually already dead and this is just our life flashing before our eyes? 2) What's the difference between a belief and an opinion? 3) If nothing lasts forever, then why is there a 'forever'? 4) Is it good to know your enemies or better to believe you have none? 5) Do all questions have an answer? 6) Answer in just one word: What signifies/clearly distinguishes/forms a clear boundary between good and evil? 7) Can you know you're insane?
Well get thinking - they may not be as good as the originals but there's still debate in these...
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Post by Bismarck on May 23, 2008 10:45:04 GMT
I will take a stab at (2) Luke....
Opinion applies to a conclusion or judgment which, while it remains open to dispute, seems true or probable to one's own mind...
Belief refers to the mental acceptance of an idea or conclusion, often a doctrine or dogma proposed to one for acceptance [religious beliefs].
A view is an opinion affected by one's personal manner of looking at things.... For example, I believe that racism is harmful and dangerous to society. It's my opinion that racism is based in ignorance and fear.....
A conviction is a strong belief about whose truth one has no doubts .
Sentiment refers to an opinion that is the result of deliberation but is colored with emotion.
Persuasion refers to a strong belief that is unshakable because one wishes to believe in its truth......
Hope I did not go too far there.....
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Post by stealth1039 on May 23, 2008 11:45:10 GMT
I'd agree with Otto that an opinion is formulated whereas a belief is based on instinct. No. 4 I would definitely rather know my enemies given human nature and for No. 7 I would say yes as most insane people have moments of lucidity.
No 5 is difficult. The meaning of life is only answerable IF there is an afterlife otherwise it's not so depends on your beliefs I guess.
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Post by hallmackem on May 23, 2008 12:19:34 GMT
But for 5) it wasn't are all questions answerable, it was do all questions have an answer.
I'd say yes, its just that we may never find them.
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Post by likeasharkinafunnyhat on May 23, 2008 13:57:36 GMT
2) What's the difference between a belief and an opinion?
Opinion; prone to change and influence e.g Cristiano Ronaldo is such a complete winker
Belief; Not so likely to change... for example... Didier Drogbar, what a waste of space the sooner he leaves the better!
Simple
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Post by stealth1039 on May 23, 2008 15:02:39 GMT
But for 5) it wasn't are all questions answerable, it was do all questions have an answer. I'd say yes, its just that we may never find them. You're right about the question Ben but then it really becomes about semantics rather than philosophy. The question of the meaning of life will never be answered so it will never have an answer - although there may well be one which we will just never discover.
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Post by JoeLatics on May 23, 2008 17:11:26 GMT
How do you know others exist? They could all just be robots. The only person you know for sure is a consious being is yourself! Stick that question in yer pipe and smoke it
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Post by Bismarck on May 23, 2008 17:37:34 GMT
No:-7
Why would you believe them?
Insane is overrated. It's very 50's. Decades old. It's also too general. Have a specific problem... paranoid schizophrenia's a good one and would qualify towards most people's concept of insane (where as things like bipolar disorder or depression might not)...........
You know because the world starts working in really weird and inconsistent ways. If there's a disembodied voice in your head, that's a pretty good sign... you know most people don't have that. Maybe you're special.................
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Post by Wolvensam on May 23, 2008 17:40:15 GMT
How do you know others exist? They could all just be robots. The only person you know for sure is a consious being is yourself! Stick that question in yer pipe and smoke it I've always wondered that sort of stuff too, like am I the only concious person on this planet? Also if other people go through the same day to day activities as me and everyone leads a similar sort of life. I can't explain it really, these are just the weird thoughts I have sometimes.
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Post by JoeLatics on May 23, 2008 17:55:28 GMT
I get that too Sam lol
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Post by Bismarck on May 23, 2008 18:05:44 GMT
We all get them.....
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on May 23, 2008 21:59:44 GMT
Yep, the possibility has been discussed over time on this thread and we've reached a conclusion of no conclusion. They might be robots Joe or figments of my imagination (presuming of course that i exist - which is far from certain). We could be in a universe of choas and everything we sense is a simulation. The wrold around us is merely our perception - so in fact there is no true reality or if there is, then we can never know it, as it is altered by our perception.
Stealth, surely though to realise you're insane requires rational thought, which contradicts the whole concept of insanity.
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Post by Bismarck on May 24, 2008 9:54:31 GMT
But using the word "insane"......I would classify Hannibal Lecter as insane.....but someone sitting in a padded cell rocking back and forth as....."mad"?
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Post by stealth1039 on May 24, 2008 13:01:52 GMT
"Stealth, surely though to realise you're insane requires rational thought, which contradicts the whole concept of insanity."
OK - then you need a definition of insanity as Otto says.
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Post by Bismarck on May 25, 2008 15:40:55 GMT
No:6-Ignorance
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Post by stealth1039 on May 25, 2008 18:19:05 GMT
Good idea Otto - I like that.
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Post by Bismarck on May 25, 2008 21:55:08 GMT
I had to think very deep about it.....a one word answer....it was my only conclusion....
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Post by hallmackem on May 26, 2008 9:49:48 GMT
6. Nothing
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Post by Bismarck on May 26, 2008 10:55:14 GMT
Nothing? Therefore determining there is no good/evil....it is a human concept?
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Post by hallmackem on May 28, 2008 14:06:36 GMT
In essence Otto, yes. Sorry to have to drone on about this again but being a nihilist I retain a belief that there is no objective standard for things such as good/evil or right/wrong.
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Post by Bismarck on May 28, 2008 15:15:46 GMT
Nihilist seems pretty close to Vulcan logic.....you should take the Kolinahr Ben....K'kvai'ei ek'zherka t'forti foshuhl....
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Jun 1, 2008 15:20:50 GMT
No 6) Our old friend perception for me.
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Post by Bismarck on Jun 13, 2008 21:21:07 GMT
Next question........
What happens at death? Is death the end of everything or is there a soul in man that continues to exist beyond death? If so, is that soul immortal or does it too eventually cease to exist? If the soul does continue to exist after death, what is the nature of that existence? If there is an existence after death, is “good” rewarded and “bad” punished? If so, how do you reconcile this with the concept of predestination? And if there is a God of INFINITE LOVE and FORGIVENESS, how to you reconcile punishment?
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Post by Lukiebakercafc on Jun 15, 2008 17:17:43 GMT
Tough one this. I would like to think that the 'soul' (whatever that is) lives on. As what or where i ahve no idea. I reckon heaven is a state of mind rather than a physical place, where your soul is eternally peaceful within itself. God may exist - although equally perhaps more probably will not. There is also a high chance that there is nothing after death. No up, no down, no light, no dark, not even really nothing - (as this counts as something imo ) I guess we'll never know...
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Post by stealth1039 on Jun 16, 2008 14:12:00 GMT
I would like to think that there was something after death purely so that all the learning you accumulate & experience you gain doesn't go completely to waste when you die. However, there's obviously no way of communicating it to the living otherwise we wouldn't keep making the same mistakes again & again so I've therefore come to the conclusion it doesn't exist in any form.
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Post by Bismarck on Jun 17, 2008 10:55:33 GMT
Putting my arrogant/conceited head on....It is hard to imagine any species (ie. mankind) would reach such a high level of consciousness of our own existence if it were all to end with this life. There is no evolutionary advantage or biological need for this. For a mortal life here on earth, the human mind is much more advanced than necessary......
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Post by stealth1039 on Jun 17, 2008 15:21:37 GMT
Actually I think there probably is an evolutionary reason. As you say mankind, because of our advanced "thinking", has come to dominate all other species and even to exterminate them. I therefore think that it's this same advanced thinking that is going to wipe us out before we can kill the planet & therefore ALL life. Medicinal advancements are making the population too much for available resources to bear whilst selfishness, greed & self interest will ensure that we never actually work together to avoid the problems until it's too late. Thus leaving a vastly changed but probably still inhabitable planet for an evolved species other than human.
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Post by Bismarck on Jun 18, 2008 9:46:16 GMT
This planet probably has 4.5 billion years left before the Sun turns into a red giant.....I wonder what will happen?
It's likely that the Human Race will have been killed off by the time the Sun leaves the Main Sequence. I don't think that any species in history has dominated the Earth for that long. Of course we could be the first....
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Post by stealth1039 on Jun 18, 2008 12:20:12 GMT
We could be but we've got a hell of a long way to go. We've been here for around 200,000 years & dinosaurs were here for 160M years - and even that was a dot i time considered against how long Earth has existed.
Do you think it's the "wondering what will happen" trait that has, perhaps, helped to formulate the idea of life after death. By nature most of us are consumed by curiousity & don't like to be left out of things so the thought that we won't know the future would drive us mad if we didn't have the solace of a window on the world after death?
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Post by Bismarck on Jun 18, 2008 14:12:01 GMT
Good point there chief.....
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