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Post by Wolvensam on Jul 14, 2008 20:31:43 GMT
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Post by ftmlad on Jul 14, 2008 20:44:01 GMT
got my hopes up there thought the old tart had died.
no not warrented at all. stupid bitch monkey'sed the working class big time.
hate isn't a strong enough word when it comes to her.
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Post by Bismarck on Jul 14, 2008 21:41:52 GMT
Is that your opinion ftm?I notice from your profile you are only 19.....not having a go....just interested...
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Post by Bismarck on Jul 14, 2008 21:56:10 GMT
My opinion..... The idea of Thatcher getting a state funeral is indeed sickening and the idea that a supposed Labour government might give it the green light is even worse. I most certainly would join any planned protests, the woman sold off the countries council housing, railways, airline, gas supply company and this belonged to US the tax payers! She created a nasty selfish and money grabbing atmosphere in the UK that still pervades our society to this day. Shame on anyone who would agree that the highest honour could be afforded to her after her death...for WHAT? Churchills politics I disagreed with but he more than deserved the honour for his leadership during the second world war. Thatcher gave us mass unemployment, used the police as a state tool to destroy the miners, supported Pinochet one of the most evil dictators South America has seen and sold the countries silver, brought us the poll tax, had a war with a tinpot regime in Argentina for popularist reasons when it could have been dealt with diplomatically the list is endless... PROTEST PROTEST PROTEST
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Post by hallmackem on Jul 14, 2008 21:58:54 GMT
Is that your opinion ftm?I notice from your profile you are only 19.....not having a go....just interested... I know he's only 19 but it almost certainly affected his parents or grandparents.
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Post by Bismarck on Jul 14, 2008 22:01:37 GMT
True.....could have heard the stories,passed down to him....or did it in Social History....
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Post by thefullback on Jul 14, 2008 22:15:06 GMT
Close family were dockers Friends down the mines (Mexboro area) Sister stood on picket lines with the miners and was later sent to prison for refusing to pay the poll tax
MT when your day comes it will be party time
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Post by Bismarck on Jul 14, 2008 22:17:19 GMT
She should be interned in one of those empty pits mate.....
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Post by arover on Jul 15, 2008 7:00:56 GMT
got my hopes up there thought the old tart had died. no not warrented at all. stupid bitch monkey'sed the working class big time. hate isn't a strong enough word when it comes to her. Well said that lad.
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Post by Wolvensam on Jul 15, 2008 8:25:34 GMT
Surely the country wasn't in a worse state than it is now? It does make you wonder what she's done to deserve such an accolade considering the last prime minister to receive a state funeral was Winston Churchill - her achievements couldn't have been on the same level as his surely? I can't really comment due to not being alive at the time of course and I've mainly grown up in a Labour dominated period, but I just know that my mum and dad aren't fond of her.
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Post by hallmackem on Jul 15, 2008 9:16:20 GMT
Surely the country wasn't in a worse state than it is now? It does make you wonder what she's done to deserve such an accolade considering the last prime minister to receive a state funeral was Winston Churchill - her achievements couldn't have been on the same level as his surely? I can't really comment due to not being alive at the time of course and I've mainly grown up in a Labour dominated period, but I just know that my mum and dad aren't fond of her. Erm... well today we don't have as much in the way of unemployment, mass rioting and industrial action as we did under the iron lady. Plus, she thought of herself as royalty. In no way does she deserve a state funeral.
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Post by stealth1039 on Jul 15, 2008 11:27:07 GMT
My opinion..... The idea of Thatcher getting a state funeral is indeed sickening and the idea that a supposed Labour government might give it the green light is even worse. I most certainly would join any planned protests, the woman sold off the countries council housing, railways, airline, gas supply company and this belonged to US the tax payers! She created a nasty selfish and money grabbing atmosphere in the UK that still pervades our society to this day. Shame on anyone who would agree that the highest honour could be afforded to her after her death...for WHAT? Churchills politics I disagreed with but he more than deserved the honour for his leadership during the second world war. Thatcher gave us mass unemployment, used the police as a state tool to destroy the miners, supported Pinochet one of the most evil dictators South America has seen and sold the countries silver, brought us the poll tax, had a war with a tinpot regime in Argentina for popularist reasons when it could have been dealt with diplomatically the list is endless... PROTEST PROTEST PROTEST Terry, you've had some good rants in your time but this was the best yet! I agree with everything you say 100% including the comparison with Churchill's funeral. Superbly put & definitely worth a goal. Just like FTMLad I was just about to get the flags out but then realised we're still talking about the future. Bollocks!
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Post by stealth1039 on Jul 15, 2008 11:43:25 GMT
Just read the comments on the article & these two were pretty good:-
Could she not be afforded this honour before she died? - conor booth, Malvern Uk, 13/7/2008 0:28
Lots of music please - for dancing on the grave! - an other, Brighton England, 13/7/2008 0:28
Revealingly, nearly all the pro comments were from stupid yanks who never had to suffer her lack of humanity because their country was always like it.
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Post by Wolvensam on Jul 15, 2008 12:14:25 GMT
Someone on this other forum suggested they nail a urinal to her grave stone.
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Post by gerry09 on Jul 15, 2008 12:17:07 GMT
Same as everyone else I was conned by this title I demand thatchers head on a stick to make up for it
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Post by Enya_NTFC on Jul 15, 2008 16:00:32 GMT
I know a lot of you don't like her BUT she did a lot for the rights and roles of women.
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Post by hallmackem on Jul 15, 2008 16:06:36 GMT
Like what?
Politically i'm not sure she did anything major.
As a figurehead it went both ways, she may have inspired some women... but many more will have been put off by her.
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Post by stealth1039 on Jul 15, 2008 16:24:41 GMT
As women always say they should rule the world because of their gentler nature being more able to empathise with people I should hope ALL women were put off by her or their only argument for having more say in things goes out of the window.
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Post by ftmlad on Jul 15, 2008 20:26:27 GMT
Is that your opinion ftm?I notice from your profile you are only 19.....not having a go....just interested... it's my opinion mate but it's based on how it affected my local area and my parents/gandparents. I live in an ex-mining village in county durham, also there used to be lots of factories around where i live, thatcher ruined all that, it was all before my time like but i'm from a working class familly and thats where i get my opinion form.
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Post by Bismarck on Jul 15, 2008 21:22:52 GMT
I remember it well....terrible time......
That is why she is so hated by the far left, she is just as despised by those on the far right for her hijacking the opposition to mass immigration in 1979 by her deceitful posturing as a "Britain for the British" candidate, only to accelerate the rate of immigrants entering the country upon taking office....people forget that..........
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Post by hallmackem on Jul 16, 2008 7:29:14 GMT
Is that your opinion ftm?I notice from your profile you are only 19.....not having a go....just interested... it's my opinion mate but it's based on how it affected my local area and my parents/gandparents. I live in an ex-mining village in county durham, also there used to be lots of factories around where i live, thatcher ruined all that, it was all before my time like but i'm from a working class familly and thats where i get my opinion form. Same with me, the miners among my family hail from Stanley in Co. Durham and Silksworth in Sunderland. Both pits were affected and neither area has truly recovered.
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Post by stealth1039 on Jul 16, 2008 11:39:47 GMT
In her defence I will say that certain things she did needed doing. Anyone who lived through the 70's would never want that level of union power again but, equally, the scales then swung too far in the other direction - & they've not stopped swinging yet. I also agreed with the Community Charge/Poll Tax as more people in a house use more services. The trouble was, by the time she tried to introduce it, she had so lost touch with reality she brought it in at far too higher rate.
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Post by Bismarck on Jul 16, 2008 16:30:10 GMT
She used the lives of our soldiers to gain a second term......never forget that...
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Post by Wolvensam on Jul 16, 2008 16:31:19 GMT
Surely no worse than what is happening in Iraq now? Soldiers are basically going over to Iraq to fight a war of greed over oil.
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Post by Bismarck on Jul 16, 2008 17:46:59 GMT
Sam...you make a fair point there...... but we must acknowledge the view that she "reversed the decline in Britain's postwar fortunes". Leaving aside the well-known arguments about the devastation to Britain's manufacturing capacity, much of which was done not for economic reasons, but simply to emasculate the large trade unions, there are strong arguments to suggest that much that is wrong with 21st-century Britain in social terms can be traced back to the innate selfishness strongly promoted during her time as prime minister.
The breakdown in families and communities, the notion of "no such thing as society", the every man for themselves culture, the "loads of money" ideal, the vast unemployment that directly led to the growth of the disaffected millions, the savage cuts to the public sector - all can be attributed directly to her terms in office. While accepting that my view could be put in the "controversial" element alluded to in this thread, surely that controversy, which still splits the country quite markedly, should preclude such a decision.....
My problem is the fact that No 10 appears to have condoned the plans sums up how bankrupt this government has become.....
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Post by stealth1039 on Jul 16, 2008 18:17:12 GMT
Again, your arguments Otto, are exactly why I hate the woman. I can't deny that some good came from her premiership but that was far outweighed by the bad and a lot of her achievements were omly down to pure good luck anyway. I doubt she would have survived to defeat the miners if it hadn't been for the discovery of North Sea Oil & the shoring up of the economy through that. Even the Falklands War which, without doubt was all that got her a second term, was a stroke of luck & the IRA bomb missing her was incredibly fortuitous - for her if not for the country. Why is it since the war, that all politicians who seem to genuinely have the good of the nation at heart (Heath, Callaghan, Major & even Brown to some extent) are always very unlucky with events whereas heartless bastards like her & Blair are all extremely fortunate?
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Post by Bismarck on Jul 20, 2008 10:52:59 GMT
Indeed Stealth mate....You and I lived in Britain throughout Thatcher's tenure. What on earth did she do to deserve a state funeral ? She attempted to introduce a "poll" tax which was deeply unpopular and unworkable. She lied us into a war with Argentina over the Falklands. She surrounded herself with "Yes-Men", firing anyone in her cabinet who would not go along with her, and she was so unpopular with her own party members of parliament that they ignominiously dismissed her as leader of the Conservative Party under a vote of no confidence. I won't even go into her parenting skills which produced a wayward fugitive son who is wanted for an incident involving an alleged breach of international law. In any event, who made this decision? And why does there need to be security at her funeral ? By then she will no longer pose a threat to the rest of us.....?
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Post by arover on Jul 20, 2008 12:06:29 GMT
Thatcher made individualism and greed good and shattered communities without so much of a blink of the eye.
Many of the social problems which everyone is concerned with now like gang culture, lawlessness and knife crime have become issues as a direct result of Thatcherite policies which tore communities asunder and gave not a thought to the weaker members of society.
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Post by Bismarck on Jul 20, 2008 12:52:19 GMT
Well said that man.....have a goal....
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Post by Bismarck on Jul 20, 2008 12:54:10 GMT
My opinion..... The idea of Thatcher getting a state funeral is indeed sickening and the idea that a supposed Labour government might give it the green light is even worse. I most certainly would join any planned protests, the woman sold off the countries council housing, railways, airline, gas supply company and this belonged to US the tax payers! She created a nasty selfish and money grabbing atmosphere in the UK that still pervades our society to this day. Shame on anyone who would agree that the highest honour could be afforded to her after her death...for WHAT? Churchills politics I disagreed with but he more than deserved the honour for his leadership during the second world war. Thatcher gave us mass unemployment, used the police as a state tool to destroy the miners, supported Pinochet one of the most evil dictators South America has seen and sold the countries silver, brought us the poll tax, had a war with a tinpot regime in Argentina for popularist reasons when it could have been dealt with diplomatically the list is endless... PROTEST PROTEST PROTEST Terry, you've had some good rants in your time but this was the best yet! I agree with everything you say 100% including the comparison with Churchill's funeral. Superbly put & definitely worth a goal. Just like FTMLad I was just about to get the flags out but then realised we're still talking about the future. Bollocks!
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